V2X, Inc. (NYSE:VVX) Q4 2023 Earnings Conference Call March 5, 2024 8:00 AM ET
Company Participants
Mike Smith – Vice President of Treasury, Investor Relations and Corporate Development
Chuck Prow – President and Chief Executive Officer
Shawn Mural – Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Conference Call Participants
Tobey Sommer – Truist Securities
Joe Gomes – Noble Capital Markets
Trevor Walsh – Citizens JMP
Stephen Strackhouse – RBC Capital Markets
Sahej Singh – Stifel
Operator
Thank you for joining us for the V2X Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. Today’s call is being recorded. My name is Maria, and I’ll be the operator for today’s call. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode. Following management’s presentation, I will open the call up for a Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.
And now, I’ll pass the call over to your host, Mike Smith, Vice President of Treasury, Investor Relations and Corporate Development at V2X. You may go ahead, sir.
Mike Smith
Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the V2X fourth quarter and full-year 2023 earnings conference call.
Joining us today are Chuck Prow, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Shawn Mural, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Slides for today’s presentation are available on the Investor Relations section of our website, gov2x.com.
Please turn to slide two. During today’s presentation, management will be making forward-looking statements pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Federal Securities Laws. Please review our Safe Harbor statements in our press release and presentation materials for a description of some of the factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from the results contemplated by these forward-looking statements. The company assumes no obligation to update its forward-looking statements.
Additionally, I would like to point out that in addition to GAAP earnings, we will be discussing and reporting various adjusted non-GAAP metrics, including adjusted EBITDA and margin, adjusted operating cash flow, adjusted net income, and adjusted diluted earnings per share. The definition of these non-GAAP measures can be found in our presentation materials available on our Investor Relations website and in our press release filed with the SEC.
At this time, I’d like to turn the call over to Chuck Prow.
Chuck Prow
Thank you, Mike, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us on the call today.
Please turn to slide three. Before we get started, I’d like to thank you over 16,000 V2X employees for their contributions and in particular their performance during the fourth quarter to end 2023 on a high note. I just returned from a trip to the Middle East visiting our clients and people. The feedback I receive from our clients underscore the unwavering service, agility, innovation and technology enabled solutions that we are delivering in support of their most critical missions. It’s this around the clock, around the globe commitment to our clients that would drive our continued leadership and growth.
Please turn to slide four. The transformation of V2X continues. Organic and inorganic growth, which improves scale, profitability, diversification and capabilities has allowed us to emerge as a leader in the operational segment of the broader federal services marketplace. Our company is purpose built across an expanded client, contract and geographic footprint to deliver value in this market.
Our market has witnessed significant structural changes in recent years and continues to rapidly evolve. We are advancing how missions are operated by leveraging converged and engineered solutions at the intersection of technology and operations. This includes modernization and sustainment support that elongates platform lifecycles, while enhancing capabilities. These improved outcomes yield greater value for our clients and shareholders, while providing greater opportunities for our people.
Please turn to slide five. Top line momentum extended into the fourth quarter with revenues once again exceeding $1 billion. This resulted in revenue growth of 6% year-over-year and 4% sequentially. Revenue for the full-year increased 8% on a pro forma basis to $3.96 billion, which was also ahead of our guidance range.
Revenue in the fourth quarter was driven by 31% year-over-year growth in the Pacific and 18% in the Middle East. Our work in the Pacific, or INDOPACOM, continued to expand, reaching $71.2 million, a record for V2X, and was particularly impressive given the Talisman Sabre exercises that occurred in the first-half of this year. This is a testament to our team’s ability to drive on-contract growth, while further expanding our services and footprint in the region.
Our growth in the Middle East was partially driven by increased scope and services with the Department of State. This expansion builds on our initial work awarded in early 2023 that at the time represented our most substantive win with state.
I recently had the opportunity to meet with our client and team supporting this effort and I am exceptionally pleased with how we have been able to deliver successful outcomes at speed and ahead of schedule for this critical operations and logistics effort. We remain excited about the opportunity to expand our relationship with this client through our global presence and capabilities that are ideally suited to support state’s worldwide missions and strategy.
The strong revenue performance in the quarter yielded solid profitability with adjusted EBITDA of $82.1 million, or 7.9% margin. For the year, adjusted EBITDA was $293.9 million, or 7.4% margin. Cash flow was notable during the quarter, resulting in year-to-date adjusted cash flow from operations at $159.5 million, which was ahead of our guidance range. This strong cash generation equates to a net leverage ratio of 3.3 times. Our engineering, integration and modernization and sustainment solutions are gaining momentum with approximately $70 million of awards to V2X in the quarter.
Importantly, we recently demonstrated these capability through the successful design and fielding of defense platform that leveraged and enhanced existing systems. This effort originally started as an engineering development prototyping effort with a new client and today has yielded a brand new product that’s designed, produced and sustained by V2X. We see substantial opportunity to further expand our revenue and market presence associated with these capabilities.
For example, we continue to be optimistic regarding the growth prospects associated with our proprietary Gateway Mission Router 1000, or GMR-1000. As mentioned on past calls, this family of products is a fully ruggedized and cyber hardened multidomain router that provides cutting edge situational awareness.
V2X continues to increase its army footprint by integrating on additional different air and ground platforms. During the quarter, we submitted our proposal for a sole-sourced RFP which includes production for up to 3,000 GMRs. In addition, we are seeing good traction with potential new clients that have acknowledged GMR-1000 capabilities and maturity for other applications.
Building on our momentum in the Middle East, I am pleased to announce that during the quarter, V2X was awarded a new task order with the US Air Force valued at $100 million over the next five years. Under this award, V2X will provide civil engineering and infrastructure support services to the US Air Force in the region. We are honored to have been selected to support such an important mission and look forward to building on our exemplary service with the Air Force.
Additionally, V2X recently achieved a significant milestone, the company’s first substantial foreign military sales win, which provides aviation support and training to an FMS client in the Middle East. The overall op tempo in the region remains elevated and the demand signals from our clients remain heightened. To date, the majority of current requirements are generally being routed to our existing contracts. However, we believe emerging requirements could result in new contracts or task orders.
Please turn to slide six, where I will demonstrate our recent FMS win and multiyear campaign. Over the past few years, we have methodically planned and invested in our four military sales campaign, which is now yielding results. As mentioned, we were recently awarded a long-term aviation support and training contract in the Middle East. The award is valued at approximately $400 million over the next five years and with an exceptional win for V2X, representing a culmination over two years of planning and engagement. The majority of the award is not included in our fourth quarter backlog as the contract is being definitized.
Our team is currently working on transition related activities and expect to have the contract operating at full run rate in the second-half. Importantly, our evolution as a company has been an enabler to participate in this market. With this new work, the total awarded value of our FMS portfolio is approximately $700 million, with accretive margins across eight countries.
Looking ahead, we see a near term pipeline of FMS opportunities valued at approximately $5 billion. As such, we are continuing to invest and pursue opportunities that leverage our geographic footprints, robust partnerships and enhanced capability where V2X deliver differentiated, cost effective solutions.
Please turn to slide seven. Our ability to deliver unique and differentiated solutions is driving momentum in our business that is visible in our leading growth indicators. For example, total backlog at the end of the year was $12.8 billion, up from $12.3 billion last year, and provide solid top line visibility moving into 2024. It’s important to note that backlog does not include the full performance period of the previously mentioned FMS win or the $458 million F-5 Adversary program as the award remains in protest status.
Our pipeline of bids submitted stands at over $9 billion, a company high, and is up substantially from $6 billion last quarter, reflecting the somewhat muted award environment. Our business development engine is geared to support future backlog and revenue expansion with a $15 billion pipeline of opportunities expected to be submitted over the next 12 months.
Finally, our visibility is enhanced by the limited recompetes we are facing throughout the year. At the midpoint of our 2024 guidance, recompetes comprise less than 5% of our revenue mix.
To summarize, V2X’s leading growth indicators, strong backlog, notable recent awards, and limited recompetes provides an excellent foundation and solid visibility moving into 2024.
Now, I’d like to turn the call over to Shawn for a review of the financials. Shawn?
Shawn Mural
Thanks, Chuck; and good morning, everyone. Please turn to slide eight, where I’ll discuss our fourth quarter financial results. Performance across all metrics was in line or above our expectations for the quarter.
Revenue of $1.04 billion in the quarter represents growth of 6% year-over-year and exceeded our expectations due to exceptional team performance, delivering milestones ahead of schedule, expansion on existing programs and new business. Adjusted EBITDA in the quarter was $82.1 million, delivering a margin of 7.9%. Adjusted EBITDA and the margin increased sequentially as anticipated.
Adjusted diluted EPS was $1.22, up 26% from the prior year. The growth reflects lower income tax and interest expense, partially offset by higher depreciation and other expense. Interest expense for the quarter was $28.5 million. Cash interest expense was $26.3 million.
The team delivered strong cash flow performance with adjusted operating cash flow of $75.9 million, representing a 195% net income conversion.
Please turn to slide nine, where I’ll discuss our full-year results. Full year 2023 revenue was $3.96 billion, increasing 8% on a pro forma basis year-over-year. Adjusted EBITDA for the full-year was $293.9 million, or 7.4% margin, compared to $278 million on a pro forma basis in the prior year. Adjusted diluted EPS was $3.74 based on 31.6 million weighted average shares. Interest expense for the year was $122.4 million. Cash interest expense was $113.4 million.
Net cash provided by operating activities was $188 million for the year. Adjusted operating cash flow was $159.5 million, exceeded the upper end of our guidance range. The strong performance represents 135% adjusted net income conversion and contributed to a record day sales outstanding of 58 days.
Please turn to slide 10 to discuss cash and liquidity. As mentioned, cash generation was strong and enabled us to reduce total net debt by $137.1 million in 2023. We ended the year with $70.6 million of cash on the balance sheet, excluding $2 million of restricted cash. Net debt was $1,084 million.
Importantly, the net debt to EBITDA leverage ratio was 3.3 times at the end of the year, which improved notably from 3.7 times at the end of 2022 and approximately 4 times at merger close. We believe the free cash flow generated by our business supports our ability to continue to delever and achieve a net leverage ratio at or below 3 times by the end of 2024. The company’s balance sheet and liquidity position remains strong with over $550 million in capacity, which includes approximately $482 million of availability on our revolver.
Please turn to slide 11. We are establishing 2024 guidance as follows. Revenue is expected to be $4.1 billion to $4.2 billion, representing 5% growth at the midpoint. Importantly, guidance at the midpoint assumes approximately 90% of revenue from existing contracts and less than 5% from recompetes.
Adjusted EBITDA is estimated at $300 million to $315 million, representing 5% growth at the midpoint. Adjusted diluted earnings per share guidance $3.85 to $4.20, representing 8% growth at the midpoint. Regarding the cadence we expect throughout the year, revenue and adjusted EBITDA will ramp sequentially. This reflects the phase in of new business and the previously discussed wind down and completion of the KC-10 and the T-1A programs. We expect adjusted net cash provided by operating activities to be $145 million to $165 million.
In terms of cadence, cash flow should be in line with our normal seasonal pattern with cash generation occurring in the second-half of the year. Cash interest and other expense is expected to be approximately $116 million. Capital expenditures for the year are estimated to be approximately $30 million and will be first half weighted.
Now, I’d like to turn the call back over to Chuck.
Chuck Prow
Thanks, Shawn. Please turn to Slide 12. V2X remains focused on creating value for shareholders. The four components by which we plan to achieve this include: one, continued focus on generating top line revenue growth through backlog conversion, on contract growth and execution of our robust pipeline into new awards in our core markets.
Two, increasing profit via revenue growth and operating leverage, as well as margin improvement through program performance, technology insertion and campaigns.
Three, continued strong conversion of profit into operating cash flow through disciplined working capital management and low capital intensity.
And, four, utilizing our high reoccurring cash flow to strengthen our balance sheet and further reduce interest expense and net debt.
In conclusion, V2X continues to transform to deliver enhanced capabilities in an expanding market. We have strong momentum, robust backlog, highly aligned pipeline, limited recompetes, and high free cash generation that provides an excellent fundamental profile to support value creation in 2024.
Now, I’d like to turn the call open to questions. Operator?
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Tobey Sommer with Truist Securities. Please proceed with your question. Tobey, are you there?
Tobey Sommer
Yes, I am. Can you hear me?
Shawn Mural
Hey, Tobey.
Chuck Prow
Yes, we can now. Tobey, how are you?
Tobey Sommer
That’s great. Could you provide some incremental color on the FMS pipeline, including geographic breadth and sort of describing new work versus takeaways from traditional competitors? Thanks.
Chuck Prow
Sure. We — in general, as the name would say, the majority of our FMS pipeline is in CENTCOM and INDOPACOM, and to a much lesser degree, I would say Eastern Europe. The most recent activity that we announced, and I’m sorry I can’t give all the specifics yet, was actually a new requirement, something that was not being done before by another provider. It is aerospace O&M.
And I will tell you that it is the combination of rotary wing maintenance as well as facility maintenance. The remainder of the pipeline is really balanced between aerospace O&M as well as logistics/operations management. And it’s a good question. I would just — judging from memory here, I would say we’re probably about half takeaway and half net new requirement in that FMS pipeline.
Tobey Sommer
Thank you. Could you describe the timing of the wind down of projects in contracts? We have some airframes being retired. Just thinking about from a modeling perspective when the sort of most significant headwind to growth?
Chuck Prow
Yeah. I would say, and Shawn please feel free to chime in here, so this will be the final year of the wind down for both the KC-10 and the T-1A. It’s relatively balanced throughout the year. As we’ve indicated, we’ll see sequential growth to make up for that wind down. So, I would say, a bit earlier waited in the year, but extending through the full year.
Shawn, anything to add?
Shawn Mural
No. Exactly. Thanks, Chuck, yes. We’ll grow sequentially throughout the year, Tobey. And I would say it’s first half weighted, meaning some of those headwinds as things wind down again, as we said and expected.
Tobey Sommer
Thanks. Question we get from investors, if peace breaks out, which the news doesn’t seem to convey as likely anytime here near term, does the company have activities that would cease? And if so, how much revenue is exposed?
Chuck Prow
I would say, if peace were to break out, that’s — I guess we can all pray for that, I suppose. But, by and large, the missions that we’re maintaining will, I would largely, if not entirely, continue. You always have risk like we saw in Afghanistan a couple of years ago, if we were to pull out of a country. We have no indications of that. We often talk about on these calls. And when we talk to you and other analysts and investors about op tempo.
Today, we do have tailwinds with regards to both revenue and profit generation just because of the rate and pace of activities in both CENTCOM, or Eastern Europe and as you saw in the reported results in INDOPACOM, a lot of activity in INDOPACOM. As we mentioned in the prepared remarks, Tobey, we actually had higher revenue in the second-half of the year in INDOPACOM, although the first-half of the year is where the exercise actually occurred.
So, kind of a long winded answer to your question. But as the military infrastructure continues to age, as the airframes and ground vehicles continue to age, that actually creates more requirements for V2X.
Tobey Sommer
Thanks. Just quickly, could you elaborate on the GMR-1000 opportunity, including comment on the sort of size and scope of that? Thank you very much.
Chuck Prow
What GMR-1000 represents is a new suite of capabilities that are really taking hold post the merger. We believed that the untethering of the Indianapolis facility when it was acquired by Vertex, and ultimately now part of V2X, would create opportunities because of the organizational conflict of interest of being owned by a prime contractor going away. We’re in fact seeing that. And this whole suite of engineered solutions, GMR-1000 being one, is our really great engineers and capabilities in Indianapolis working with both new and existing platforms, in this case a router, and hardening those capabilities in such a way that they can be used for new and innovative military missions.
So, as we’ve mentioned in the prepared remarks, this is actually a sole-source bid. We don’t know whether or not we’ve won yet, but the traction of the GMR-1000 and other engineered solutions is actually progressing very, very nicely.
Tobey Sommer
Thank you.
Chuck Prow
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Joe Gomes with Noble Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.
Joe Gomes
Good morning. Nice quarter.
Chuck Prow
Thank you. How are you?
Joe Gomes
Good. So, first question, kind of little — couple of parts to it, but book-to-bill was a little light in the quarter and wondering is that solely due to the protested and then the foreign contract that is still being definitized, or is it — the continuing resolution which has gone on much longer than I think all of us had anticipated? Is that starting to impact? You were saying that you have $9 billion in bids waiting for award, up from $6 billion at the end of last quarter. Maybe you can talk a little bit about the continuity resolution and any impact it’s having on you also?
Shawn Mural
Yes. Hey, Joe, this is Shawn. Yes, so exactly as you pointed out, right. So the pending awards increased $3 billion in the quarter. It’s a bit muted environment relative to the case and the cadence of the awards, and nothing of note. I don’t think we’re concerned about anything, but we are seeing a bit of a slowdown from some of those things. We would have liked to have seen them, but I — it doesn’t change our outlook for successfully capturing those — that work.
Chuck, anything else?
Chuck Prow
No. I think, you’re right. We — as always, in continuing resolution, the rate and pace of awards slow. Again, the ops tempo that we’re seeing, and you see that in our revenue and our on-contract growth continues strong. So, I think, as we move through this year, we will see awards again. It will be a little slower than we would like, but we’re very confident in our guidance.
Joe Gomes
Okay. And speaking of the guidance, the adjusted EBITDA margin, if I look at it on the midpoint, it’s — it comes to be about 7.4% in 2024, which would be flat with 2023. And is that just a kind of reflection of more of some of these newer contracts just beginning, or is there anything else behind that fact that it appears to be flat projected year-over-year?
Shawn Mural
Yes. No. Joe, I’d say it’s exactly as you described, right. So, some of the programs that are completion, right. So, we’ve set all along our programs, as they mature, they tend to move into higher margins. We’re seeing the ramp up of new work. We’ll continue to mature those things and improve the profitability over time. And so, throughout the year, you’ll see us do that kind of sequentially when we think about the margin profile of the business over the course of the year. But, yes, you’re exactly right at the midpoint. We’re probably right at the 7.4% there, yes.
Joe Gomes
Okay. One more for me on the guidance, and maybe you can kind of give us a little bit of cadence. Historically, you’re kind of at that 45% in the first-half, 55% revenue in the second-half. But one of the things Chuck you had mentioned, last year you benefited in the first and second quarter by the exercises in INDOPACOM. I’m assuming those don’t repeat this year. Maybe you can give us a little bit of size, the impact they had on Q1 and Q2? And should we still kind of expect that 45%, 55% split on the guidance?
Shawn Mural
Yes. I’d say — I’d look at it this way on the top line, Joe. I’d look at slightly less than 50% probably of the revenue in the first-half. Somewhere right between that 45% and 50% in the first half of the year. And then on the margin profile and the adjusted EBITDA, I’d probably look at that as being slightly below kind of 45% in the first half. Again, consistent with that ramp that we’ll see sequentially, kind of, quarter-by-quarter as we go throughout the year as new work comes on and as the teams mature our execution.
Chuck, anything else?
Chuck Prow
No. As you said it perfectly, last year we did benefit from kind of extraordinary activity that happened in the beginning of the year. As you know, you followed us for a while. The first half, second half dynamic has been very consistent, going all the way back to Vectrus days. And, again, we feel very comfortable with the guide and we feel very comfortable with the ramp throughout the year.
Joe Gomes
Great. Thanks for taking my questions.
Chuck Prow
Thank you. Appreciate it.
Shawn Mural
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Trevor Walsh with Citizens [JMP] (ph). Please proceed with your question.
Trevor Walsh
Hi. Great morning, team. Thanks for taking my questions, and I’ll echo my congrats on a great finish to the year. Similar to the color that you provided on the FMS pipeline, I was wondering, Chuck, maybe if you could do a similar type of rundown just on the $9 billion in bids submitted that you had. Just kind of — just generally where that falls within the portfolio of products and how that looks in terms of what the mix is there, if you could?
Chuck Prow
Yes. No. That’s — thank you for asking the question, because we’re really thrilled with how we’ve been able to kind of curate or cultivate our pipeline over the last couple of years. Of that $9 billion, I would say there’s a good mix, maybe you call it a proportional mix between our core businesses of logistics based management and aerospace O&M, and then the newer converged technology and engineered solution pipeline.
We really have a really nice emerging pipeline in our intelligence community business as well. So, again, the new capabilities that we have introduced over the last several years are now importantly represented in that pipeline that we discussed, and we’re actually thrilled with that progress.
Trevor Walsh
Great. Terrific. You mentioned a newer defense system or platform. I don’t know if that’s classified or if you’re able to give it a little bit more detail or it’s just not finalized yet, but just curious how technology driven that particular project was?
Chuck Prow
Yes. It’s — we can’t talk — we cannot talk about it. It is finished. It’s a wonderful story. It’s something — it’s a requirement that went from inception to fielding in under a year, and it’s highly technical. Again, falling back to the engineered solutions that we discussed here during the call and in the prior questions, you can simplify it this way or generalize it this way, is we are taking existing platforms, some of them older, some of them more recent, and we are engineering ways for those older platforms to either work together and/or to extend their capabilities.
It’s a really important part of our business, because we can now approach both the military intelligence communities as well as prime contractors with new and different ways of, again, extending lifecycles and/or improving capabilities of — in many cases, platforms that have been out there for a long, long time.
Trevor Walsh
Terrific. Thank you for the perspective. Maybe one more from me. For Shawn, it looked like, based on the guide, that you’ve got a little bit of an uptick in the CapEx outlook for the year going from about $25 million to $30 million. It looked like from what I could tell in our model. Just curious where the added investment is going or kind of what you see, kind of where the — where that spend will be progressing throughout the year?
Shawn Mural
Yes. No. Great question. Thank you. So, we had mentioned at the end of last year, in the third quarter release, that we would — we thought CapEx would be around $28 million. We came in slightly under that, Trevor. We came in right around $26 million in CapEx for 2023. And so, really what you’re seeing is a carryover of that. Think of that as engineering tools. Again, just — everything that Chuck just mentioned about the modernization and sustainment capabilities that the business has, we’re investing in some engineering tools to help ensure that we have that capability and we enhance it going forward. So, that’s really all it is, Trevor, is timing between years on those investments.
Trevor Walsh
Got it. Makes sense. Okay. Thanks for taking my questions. I’ll hop back in the queue.
Operator
Our next question comes from Stephen Strackhouse with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.
Stephen Strackhouse
Hey, good morning, all. Thank you for taking my question. I was hoping you could provide a little bit more detail around the Middle East exposure, maybe how fast can that market grow? And then maybe just even kind of compare contrasting that to INDOPACOM?
Chuck Prow
Yes, you said — Stephen, hello, how are you doing? Did you say — you cut out, but you say Middle East exposure?
Stephen Strackhouse
Yes, I did. Yes.
Chuck Prow
Okay. So, yes. So, we — Middle East is our — and has been historically our largest individual, non-CONUS area of operation. We’ve been operating in the region for really three decades now. As you undoubtedly know, there is a lot of activity in the Middle East now. As we mentioned in the prepared remarks, the op tempo that we are in fact seeing in the region today is being largely handled through the existing contracts we have in the region. Although we did note a new win with the Air Force as well, that’ll be ramping here as we speak.
With regards to additional business, additional orders, we do believe when all the funding situations are finally resolved with regards to the Congressional action, there are opportunities for new awards. We have several demand signals from our clients that we worked diligently with our clients on. But, again, we see op tempo remaining high for the foreseeable future. And, again, as the budget resolutions — as the budget situations, I should say, are resolved, the opportunity for new orders may in fact arise.
Stephen Strackhouse
Great. Thank you for that. And then maybe just kind of following up there on the budget, maybe just the impact of the CR and kind of what is or isn’t factored into the 2024 guide? And then maybe also just kind of how importantly kind of the lack of any Ukraine supplemental might be, or then what upside that has for the 2024 guide as well?
Chuck Prow
So, we have factored in a more muted award scenario for this year, as Shawn indicated in his prepared remarks in the prior question. Having said that, we will see some awards. Our teams continue to do an excellent job with on-contract growth, which is typically provided from the existing budgets. And then the reality is that the op tempo remains high. So, I think, balancing both new awards on-contract growth and the realistic — and the realities, I should say, of the current op tempo gives us confidence in the guides that we’ve issued here today.
I think, you mentioned INDOPACOM, too. There are not exercises, named exercises scheduled at this point in time, because, as we’ve indicated in the past, those are done on odd years. Having said that, we continue to see several demand signals and a high degree of op tempo in the region, and we continue to provide ways to modernize bases that we’re currently operating on, such as Kwajalein in the Marshall Islands.
Stephen Strackhouse
Great. Really appreciate the color. I’ll jump back in the queue.
Chuck Prow
Thank you.
Operator
Our next question comes from Sahej Singh with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.
Sahej Singh
Hey, guys. Good morning. I’m on for Bert.
Chuck Prow
How are you?
Shawn Mural
Good morning.
Sahej Singh
Doing well. I guess, you’ve touched on it, but just to get some more color on it, just curious about your view on MRO ramped lifecycles. You sort of talked about pipeline, but what are you seeing in terms of new awards? How do you then see that impacting or normalizing margins? Just any color you could provide there would be helpful.
Chuck Prow
As we talked last quarter, the F-5 Adversary award was an important award. It happens to be fixed price as well. It’s still under protest. We will, at the resolution of that protest, assume that we’ll get — be able to start that program here in this year, probably closer to the second half of the year, I would assume. Really, the only two platforms we have in retirement now we’ve talked about are the KC-10 and the T-1A. Both of those are — been very predictably winding down. And other than those two, we have no other — at this point in time, we have no other known retirements in our portfolio of contracts.
Sahej Singh
Okay.
Chuck Prow
Do you have — was there anything else to your question? Is there anything else that you wanted to add on that one?
Sahej Singh
Just the margin impact would be helpful. And then if I could add on to that, I guess thinking through maybe early days on maybe Test Wing in the Pacific and Atlantic, if you could touch there, too?
Chuck Prow
Sure. As Shawn indicated, I mean, we’ll ramp through the year. The margins on the retiring programs are higher, because they’re at the end of life cycle. And with such a large percentage of our backlog in the early stages, we’re seeing the predictable ramp in the profit margins post sale and into the base years. And, frankly, we’re thrilled at the rate and pace that that’s occurring. It’s just — again, that’s such a large quantity of new wins over the last three years, which we’re thrilled about, frankly.
Both Naval Test Wing Pacific and Atlantic are performing exceptionally. I couldn’t be more thrilled. I couldn’t be more pleased with the team. We’re hearing this directly from our clients. We’re not talking to ourselves on this as I’m sure, you know, because you follow the industry very closely. The development of pilots to be fully capable is a significant, significant measurement for both our Navy and Air Force clients. They can train pilots quickly enough to meet their needs. And, again, we’re pleased and privileged to play an important role in, again, picking up the pace — the rate and pace by which pilots can be trained.
Sahej Singh
Sure. Thanks, Chuck. That’s helpful. And, I guess, following up on one of the questions that was asked on INDOPACOM, I was reading that the Pacific, excuse me, Deterrence Initiative should grow to about $14 billion in FY 2024, something around that. And just curious if you think there’s upside to that if budgets are appropriated soon. And what do you think that could look like?
Chuck Prow
I think a — way to look at that is the performance that we posted in the second-half of the year. The fact that we booked more revenue in the second-half of the year than the first-half, even though the exercise was in the first-half of the year, that is directly attributable to the PDI, the Pacific Deterrence Initiative. Again, the op tempo is high. The budget is a reality, because these are — in many cases, new requirements. But again kind of working through the muted new award environment, but the ability to grow on contract is a good balance and again a bit a long way of answering your question, but we remain very bullish on growth in the breakout region.
Sahej Singh
No, thanks. That is helpful. And then maybe, Shawn, just one last one for you, just for the models. How are you thinking through interest rates, especially as it’s concerned, the deleveraging process?
Shawn Mural
Yes, so we’ve made tremendous progress in deleveraging. We’re obviously very focused on that. As we go into 2024, you saw where we think we’ll be at less than three at the end of 2024. From an interest expense standpoint, it’s comparable to what we had in 2023. We will look at opportunities as interest rates change. And as that leverage ratio comes down, we’ve taken advantage of improved grid pricing previously. We’ll look to do that again, kind of as appropriate, and improve upon our position as we go throughout the year. The team did a great job, couldn’t be more happy with, you know, the cash that was delivered in the quarter, and We’ll look to continue to do those things throughout the year.
Sahej Singh
Well, thank you. Congrats on the great quarter, guys. And we’ll talk to you next quarter.
Shawn Mural
Thank you.
Chuck Prow
Thanks.
Operator
[Operator Instructions] It appears that there are no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the floor back over to Chuck Prow for closing comments.
Chuck Prow
Thank you very much and thank you all for your questions. We’ve just completed what we think to be a very, very solid year and we look forward to talking to you again at the end of the first quarter. And we may see you at all the conferences here in the not too distant future. Talk to you soon. Bye.
Operator
This concludes today’s teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.
